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Friday, February 8, 2013

Reviving out of balance Aquasmarts

Having come across two Fisher and Paykel AquaSmart washing machines, we noticed a rather similar problem with both of them. The machine almost always went out of balance with loads, and even with no load. Comparing the amount of force that it took to depress the bowls with a new machine in the store, it was obvious the hangers/suspension were not working well. Further research showed that filling the hangers with oil fixed the problem.

One of the people who had mentioned filling the hangers with oil drilled a hole in the plastic and resealed it. I instead chose a much less invasive means of filling them, heat cycling them. In this I used transformer oil/mineral oil to fill them, although you can generally use whatever you have on hand, such as motor oil.

First, we have to remove the hangers from the machine itself.

Pop out the two caps covering the screws on both sides

And then remove the screws.

You can hang the top of the machine up with something at this point, take care to not pull on the wiring and pipes too much in the back right corner. We used an ocky strap tied to a pipe above us. The hangers can be seen in all four corners.

You need to remove the rubber bands from the hangers, just by lifting them up and off. These apparently stop the drum from spinning, and most people replace these first when their machine goes out of balance. We made this mistake, they don't do much at all.

To remove the hangers, grab them and pull them upwards. You will be able to move them off the case at this point. Note, that the drum WILL fall to the ground and make a mess of the pump, motor and drain so either disconnect those or lay the machine on its side. In this machine we used older hangers in their place temporarily.

And here are the hangers out of the machine. The shiny metal tubes at the bottom are what we want to fill with oil, which are pretty well sealed.



This was my original setup to heat cycle them, using a water heater from an old dishwasher. You can put them in anything you want, I was originally going to use a kettle but it was a bit too shallow. The fan was used to cool the oil back down after heating. Note that the plastic top and bottom of the shock absorbers will melt if they touch the heat source.


The way I decided to do this was using science, where heating the shock absorber would make the air inside expand and escape, pulling in oil as it cools. You can see the bubbles coming out in the midst of a heating cycle here. I was reaching a bit over 110 degrees Celcius before the element cut out and started melting stuff.

And you want to try to get as much air out as possible. 


After heating the hanger in oil, let it cool down to a reasonable temperature, I went to around 40 degrees Celsius most of the time, then repeat the cycle. Now, yes, this is a very long winded process, and if you want, you can modify it however you like. I ended up (after realising how long it took to fill one hanger) getting a small container of cool oil and putting them in that after being heated, allowing for a quicker cycle time. (put in hot oil -> wait for bubbles to stop coming out -> put in cold oil)

Once you're confident you have most of the oil out of the hangers, go ahead and reverse the above process to put them back in. The little circle of rubber on the shaft of the hangers just stays there, it doesn't do anything that I am aware of.

Spin, baby spin!
Once your machine is reassembled, it should work much better than it did before. The machine which was featured here was going out of balance during a rinse with nothing in it. After filling the hangers with oil, it ran through cycles perfectly. Even a load of dirty rags not distributed at all managed to go without a hitch. Hopefully this fix works for your machine!

Credit again to post #7 and #8 on F&P Aquasmart, unbalance for the idea behind this.

32 comments:

  1. Just modified mine! thanks to your info and it is able to spin 1 single bathmat and not go out of balance.
    You may have saved my marriage :)

    I drilled 2 holes in the top 1 larger one very small. filled from large, then pumped a few times and continued filling. cleaned it all up and epoxied them up. let it all dry well before assembling.

    Once again Thanks!

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  2. Hello

    Do you know how to get the drum out? I've got to the your 4th photo above and then unclipped the plastic cover off the drum. I then taken the cap of the center spindle, not sure where from there. under the cap is a looks like something I might need to screw off but not keen to put to much force as its plastic. Any help from here would be great.

    Thanks

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    1. The plastic clip over the center of the agitator has 2 recesses 180 degrees apart meant to push a small screwdriver into and then lever at the same time. I found it best to lever downwards on 1 side until I heard a click, then repeat on the other side. If you break it then online part stores sell them for about $5. Under that is a nylon bolt you can undo with a shifter. Then just lift the bowl up and out. Once you have access to the outer bowl you can access the interesting bits of the pump and a couple of screws will remove the cover to allow you to clear blockages.

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  3. Great advice thank you.Just one more thing I place a peice of 3x2 timber across the top of body of the machine and hooked two clamps under the inside edge of the bowl this stops the whole lot dropping on the floor.

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  4. This is the best google find and fix in ages,
    Thanks

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  5. Just used the drill and fill method and now my machine is working flawlessly. Thanks to everyone above!

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  6. My machine has started to have this problem. I pulled out the two front suspension rods and found they had about 1cm free play before starting to resisting the motion. Is that enough to cause trouble?

    Thanks for a real useful article.

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    1. I can't quite recall how the suspension rods reacted individually however if you've got an aqua smart and it's having trouble staying in balance it's definitely worth a shot to refill them and see if that helps. Can't hurt to try!

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  7. How does the oil get inside? It's sealed?

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  8. In most cases people drill through the plastic cap to refill them, however the way this post details uses the fact that it's a pretty poor seal.

    The interface between the rod and the plastic is close but not perfect, so heating the hanger causes the air within to expand and is pushed out the small gap. As the hanger is left in the oil to cool, the air cools and reduces in volume. The vacuum created pulls oil in.

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  9. Wow!!! It is awesome blog post. I read it completely, it is very nice blog. I like it very much. In this blog there is a AquaSmart washing machine that is very nice and useful for me. Thank you for this wonderful blog. Please keep sharing.

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  10. i have a gwl11 ecosmart. it seems to have water trapped inside the upper and lower plastic rim of the drum. is this normal or could that be the cause of my unballance.

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    1. This is normal. The water in those rings acts as a ballast to try and even out small imbalances. I'm not sure about ecosmarts but if the hangers look similar chances are that is where your problem lies.

      FYI: You can buy new hangers off eBay, can't hurt to try filling the current ones with oil and see if it improves!

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  11. 99% of the A/S's I repair are suspension issues. I just use the older generation rods and away they go.

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  12. question, if the oil has come out, shouldn't there be traces on the outside?

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  13. What sort of oil should be used?

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    1. Anything that will last. I used some manner of engine oil.

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  14. I'll try this. My aquastupid almost went for a flying lesson off the balcony.

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  18. Drilled and filled with silicone today. Seems to have fixed it.

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  19. Thanks so much. Our Aquasmart (more than 5 years old) would go out of balance and for a while carefully repacking the load would get it through the spin cycle. Until last Saturday, multiple attempts to rebalance the load failed... Time to operate! Fixed it using the drill and fill method suggested in the comments. I used motor oil and epoxied up the holes. I hope the glue holds :). One tip: I'd suggest tipping the machine on its left hand side so its easier to get at the right rear rod which has an extra clip holding it. For now our machine is working like a dream.

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  21. Does anyone have pictures or details on how they drilled and refilled the shock absorbers? I have never attempted something like that, but all the replacement sets of shock absorbers I'm finding for my Aqua Smart washer are around $100!! So if I can get more detailed directions on how to drill and refill, that'd be great!

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  22. u could always get a 1/8" grease nipple , tap a whole on the shock absorber and use a syringe and tube to force the oil in, then loosen the nipple while pump the shocker to purge air bubbles.

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  25. Thanks so much for sharing! I used the drill and fill method. Amazing to have my machine trustworthy again. There was enough information in this post for me to attempt this, definitely give this a try before spending any money on replacements. Cheers

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  26. Thanks for this post! I just tried 3 out of 4 rods (I couldn't remove the upper right rod with the wire/tube attachments), drilled holes and filled with about 40ml of engine oil. Tried epoxy but the Adralite doesn't work with the polypropylene or similar plastic the rods have, so tried some craft glue (fingers crossed). Just tried a spin cycle with an empty barrel and no banging, hopefully this fixes it for a while.

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